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Oh God, I'm actually writing about fighting in hockey. Ugh.

For a minute there, in the wake of the Don Sanderson tragedy, before it was discussed ad nauseam by every TV and talk radio pundit in the country, I almost thought this topic might be worth writing about. Ultimately though, it seemed kind of pointless to bother-- we get it: some people like fighting, some people don't.

Now, with the NHL pretending it wants to curb "staged" fighting, the debate appears to be back in full force, and I've got a couple of observations that I'd like to make before the whole subject becomes excruciatingly tiresome again. Assuming that hasn't already happened.

Let's start with two things that strike me as really peculiar about the new rules that the NHL GMs are recommending.

For one, to curb "staged" fights they'd like to assess a 10-minute misconduct in addition to the fighting major, if a fight occurs at the drop of a puck. Um... but what's to stop players from skating around for thirty seconds and then putting on their little dog and pony show? Answer: by the sounds of it, pretty much nothing. You don't think players are going to notice this gaping loophole? For fuck sakes, during local radio spot the other day even PJ Stock noticed it!

So then the rule is completely pointless-- plus, as Down Goes Brown excellently points out, fights that start right after a puck drop are sometimes both useful, and kind of seriously awesome.

The second one, I think, puzzles me even more-- though I imagine I'm in the minority on this one. They would like to curb the fighting that occurs in response to clean hits. Um... hey geniuses, if guys keep wanting to pound the shit out of each other after a "clean" hit, maybe you want to take a look at what constitutes a clean hit?

Of course, that, despite the Players Association's calls to penalize hits to the head, doesn't appear like it's going happen, so I guess we should just stick with the fighting stuff.

And... well... honestly, I don't know if there should be fighting in hockey-- probably not, but not because it isn't sometimes awesome-- I guess maybe because its kinda retarded and not safe.

But what I do know is that the pro-fight camp needs to find themselves some better arguments, and better spokespeople, or they are going to keep getting out-argued, and keep looking like dinosaurs who cling to the idea of maintaining some connection "old school" hockey in the game, as though it's death would signify the death of their own childhood. (That's what it is, right?)

Like, could they find a more fucking worthless set of arguments? Their positions are disarmed so quickly and easily that any "debate" just turns into a pointless, redundant shouting match.

You hear stuff about how much the fans cheer for fights, you hear that it's "part of the game", part of the tradition. Ugh.

Um... yeah, people like to see car wrecks, too. People watch that Jim Belushi piece of shit. Whether people cheer something or not is an incredibly shitty indicator of how reprehensible it might be. Shit, if we turned off our moral compass and made decisions based on what people stand up and cheer for, we'd already be living The Running Man-- which I admit would fucking awesome, but it's no way to run a society. (I think. Hmmm...)

I mean, if you want to completely miss the point about this being a safety issue, I guess it's fine to mention that people like it-- I certainly don't buy the other side's bullshit that you can't market fight-friendly hockey in the States--  but fuck, if you don't think it's a safety issue, find a way to argue that. Or if you think it's a safety issue on par with a guy standing a foot away from a 90mph fastball, driving a stock car at over 200mph, or catching a pass over the middle with Bob Sanders bearing down on him, maybe there's your angle.

Oh, but it's tradition. It's part of the game!

Yeah, we get that. It's just... you know, it's good to tear down traditions when we start recognizing them as barbaric or dangerous-- it's called progress-- evolution. Now, I'm not even saying that I think hockey fighting is either of those things, but the buttercups sure are, and you walk right into their trap when you shit out this turd of an argument.

So then where do we go from here?

To my mind, one of the few pro-fighting arguments that appears genuinely tricky to disarm is the one you'll hear Don Cherry constantly use about the instigator rule: that the threat of having to get the shit beat out of them keeps the dirty players in line. Unfortunately, that one only kinda works because the NHL generally does a piss poor job of policing and disciplining its players, which makes it a bit of a non-starter-- arguing in favour of vigilante justice doesn't usually go so well.

Am I missing some key points? Oh probably-- but those are pretty much the basics, and they're just not very compelling. Honestly, at this point I couldn't give less of a shit whether fighting stays in hockey or not. But I do enjoy a solid argument (anyone who's ever read the comments over at Drunk Jays Fans undoubtedly knows this), and right now, the pro-fighting folks need to seriously get their shit together. And they should maybe find a few more folks who aren't suffering from post-concussion syndrome, and don't think like septuagenarians, to assume the mantle, if they want to have any hope of stopping the slow purge of fighting from the game.

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Posted Mar 12 2009, 02:41 PM by Andrew Stoeten

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Down Goes Brown wrote re: Obligatory Hockey Fighting Post
on 03-12-2009 8:32 PM

Hey Andrew... I've been a pro-fighting advocate and have blogged on the subject several times in the past few months.

My argument is that fighting is entertaining and that most fans enjoy it, and just about all evidence shows that I'm right. Any online poll you can find will show that fans want fighting to be part of the game (ESPN.com's poll was running about 90% in favor). Fighting videos are the most popular hockey clips on youtube, by far. Even the well-publicized Harris/Decima poll showed that hockey fans (as opposed to the general public) want to see fighting stay.

Does that mean fighting should stay? Not necessarily, as you point out. But the NHL is an entertainment product, and it will succeed or fail based on fan support. I think the league should be extremely careful about removing or even reducing an element of its product that customers overwhelmingly want to see. After all, the NHL isn't exactly experiencing a growth period in recent years. The reduction in fighting may not be to blame, but it doesn't seem to have helped.

All that said, I'll take issue with some of the arguments you mention, specifically on the safety side. Simply put, when it comes to fighting the safety risks in general, and the risk of death in particular, are being grossly exaggerated in this debate. And I think the people who rally under the safety banner are being a little bit disingenuous.

Don Sanderson's death was a tragedy. But it was also the only example of a death from a hockey fight in history, at any level, anywhere. Not only has no NHL player ever died in a fight, but nobody has ever come close. By comparison, we've seen several near-deaths in the NHL in recent years that had nothing to do with a fight. Clint Malarchuk, Trent McCleary and Richard Zednick come to mind. And that doesn't even cover any number of gruesome injuries that weren't life-threatening.

If this whole debate is really about safety -- and not about using safety as an excuse to push a personal preference or some sort of moral judgement -- then there's a long list of areas we should be talking about before fighting ever makes an appearance on the agenda. Blocking shots, stray skate blades and plain old bodychecks are more likely to cause a death than fighting is. But nobody talks about them, because those issues don't seem to sell newspapers or drive web traffic.

Andrew Stoeten wrote re: Obligatory Hockey Fighting Post
on 03-13-2009 1:24 PM

I can't take issue with any of what you're saying. It's like the media has just fixated on this issue because it gets people talking, and that the changes to the game are reactive to that.

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