Churning the rumour mill

According to The Fourth Period, Canucks General Manager Mike Gillis attended the Senators/Rangers game last night in New York.

At first this did feel like anything to be alarmed about, Vancouver is currently on a four-game road trip that had them on Long Island Monday night before hitting the Big Apple on Wednesday, so it's not like Gillis was there while the team was on a homestand.

Then I clued in that Ottawa has been trying to pry Mattias Ohlund away from Vancouver for a few weeks now, albeit through informal discussions. 

Gillis was candid a few weeks ago that "It's not true" that he'd been shopping around Ohlund, "Mattias has a no-trade and we haven't discussed his status with any team and we're not going to. We have no interest in trading him. People ask us about every player and it's in general. I would never describe it as a trade discussion."

If that's the case, why go to the Sens game at all? There are clearly a million reasons to go there, but this seems as fishy as when Gillis met with Mats Sundin a few weeks ago.

The only good that could come out of potentially sending Ohlund to Ottawa, would be if Vancouver could get someone like Jason Spezza. I don't know how plausible that is with Spezza having signed a seven-year contract extension with the Senators in November 2007, but this whole post is speculation so let's continue the theme. 

This season has been a waste for Spezza so far and Craig Hartsburg has let him know it. Coach has called out the player on two occasions now and as recent as eight days ago. Spezza had 15 points in 18 games so he's by no means been a blob on the ice this season, yet that total include one three point night and a four point night, meaning he's got eight points in 16 games excluding those two.

While I think Spezza would be a great fit in Vancouver, rumours are that Gillis is looking at Antoine Vermette. He's speedy, great at face-offs and able to perform on special teams, but there's no chance I would ever, ever, ever trade a solid puck moving defenceman like Ohlund for a weak top-six forward like Vermette.

If and when the Canucks do trade for a top-six forward, he needs to be a closer, someone who can finish off the 100 or so chances the team has to score from in close every game. Vermette doesn't strike me as that guy.

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Posted Nov 18 2008, 11:44 AM by Derek J.

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Riddick19 wrote re: Churning the rumour mill
on 11-18-2008 6:13 PM

Derek......  I see your point about Vermette, but Vancouver would have to seriously and I mean seriously sweeten the pot to pry Spezza away. Ohlund is a decent puck-mover but nothing extrordinary by any stretch, where Spezza is a 90+ point center. Yes Hartsburg has harped on Spezza quite a bit, but so did Tortorella on Lecavalier and yes Lecavalier had to hear the rumours for many years as well. But Vancouver don't have enough assets to get a deal done for Spezza. That's not a slap in the face to the Canucks, I'm saying that for some reason Murray will not throw in the towel for this year so throwing a first rounder and someone like Mason Raymond won't be enough. However if Murray does decide to blow it up, well then Vancouver has a lot going for them. They have the cap space, their 1st rounder, Ohlund, and maybe a guy like Mason Raymond and maybe even more if Murray is able to get a bidding war going.

I know for a lot of you it sounds like a lot, but high scoring centers are very hard to come by, and look what Philly got for a broken down Peter Forsberg, Same for Marian Hossa last year...... Murray will want similar assets in return. However Vermette, it definitely on the block, and personally I'm hoping he goes to Florida as part of a package for Bouwmeester, and I'm sure none of you like the idea of Vermette for Ohlund. Regardless of what happens, hopefully Vermette and Ohlund get their respective teams the assets in return that the teams need.

madjam wrote re: Churning the rumour mill
on 11-18-2008 10:53 PM

Ohlund is a serious Norris trophy candidate this year . He's been a monster here out West . I don't see Canucks giving him up straight for Spezza . He is playing as good as Lidstrom , if not better !! I doubt if you thru in Vermette with Spezza , that Vancouver would bite to be honest - Ohlund is that dominate this season !! I'm not a big Canuck fan , but Ohlund is a much better player than a lot of you out East seem to realize . No way i'd give up Ohlund for Spezza - that would be a steal !!

Riddick19 wrote re: Churning the rumour mill
on 11-19-2008 12:11 PM

MADJAM......Ohlund I'll agree is a decent defenseman. 2G 4A 6Pts is hardly Norris Trophy type numbers. Not to mention Ohlund is in the final year of his contract, Vancouver will be lucky to get Vermette for him, especially with Vermette signed through next season. But Jason Spezza? Come on that's not going to happen in this lifetime, Ohlund is alright but nothing spectacular to say the least.

I believe it's just a matter of time before Ottawa has to blow this team up, and besides Spezza, Heatley, and Alfy I can't see any other Senator being untouchable. Even Spezza and Heatley could probably be had, but it'll come for a king's randsom.

I believe Ottawa would be more interested in Bouwmeester than Ohlund. Bouwmeester is more familliar to Ottawa having played in the East, and Vermette alone might be enough to pry Bouwmeester out of Florida as Martin is a huge Vermette fan. No matter what happens, thimgs are definitely in motion, could get exciting before everything is over.

serads wrote re: Churning the rumour mill
on 11-19-2008 12:34 PM

madjam...you're saying you wouldn't trade ohlund for spezza and vermette. wow. more like the senators wouldn't trade spezza for ohlund unless the nucks threw in something else as well. i live on the west coast so i know who ohlund is, and i'm a sens fan so i know what spezza's about and you're way off here man.

madjam wrote re: Churning the rumour mill
on 11-19-2008 2:34 PM

No i would not trade Ohlund for Spezza , and i doubt it even if you threw in Vermette .

Devon wrote re: Churning the rumour mill
on 11-19-2008 4:57 PM

Your giving Ohlund way to much credit there madjam either that or your on some real good drugs that makes you think he's that good. And to put him in the class of Lidstrom are you kidding me?

Jimmy wrote re: Churning the rumour mill
on 11-19-2008 4:57 PM

^^^

And you guys say us leaf fans are dilusional?

madjam wrote re: Churning the rumour mill
on 11-20-2008 12:47 AM

Hey , just trying to get you more for Ohlund - still don't think he'll come  as cheap as some of you think . I know he has sure been the mainstay in the games against Oilers and Flames - more so than even Phaneuf so far . I put him down for my  Western Allstar Defenceman ballot firstly ( my other choice was Lidstrom ), thats how dominant he has been against the Alberta teams this season so far . Mind you , i put down Luongo as my goalie on the  all star ballot - so what do i know ?

Matt wrote re: Churning the rumour mill
on 11-20-2008 2:54 PM

Clearly,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,not much. Same goes for me aswell I guess, everytime I say something aswell Mr Dicklick (Riddick) gets on my case too.

Riddick19 wrote re: Churning the rumour mill
on 11-20-2008 7:34 PM

Oh hey Mr Homework, welcome back. BTW your problem Mr. Homework is you made an assumption. I didn't jump on your case about Spezza buying a house, You said FRisher and Phillips have roots in the community and have all bought houses in the area. How is Spezza different? Then you accused me of making the assumption you comment without doing your homework...... Well seeings you made it so nasty, I commended you on the homework you did before making the Naslund comment. Water under the bridge man, don't take it personally. New topic, past blogs stay in the past.

hanny wrote re: Churning the rumour mill
on 11-21-2008 1:56 PM

madjam I agree with you, ohlund is one of the top rated dmen in the league. but for some reason the east would never agree, because they can't see past the great lakes. I would not trade ohlund for spezza either, to much of a premadona for me. the canucks are great and proving every one wrong at every turn, this season, unlike the sens. when van and calgary are in the playoffs, and the sens are sitting on the golf course. then we out west will laugh the hardest. even think by the way T O is playing they will end with more points. lol but thats my opinion.

madjam wrote re: Churning the rumour mill
on 11-23-2008 10:01 PM

Cory Schneider was on fire in the preseason , and many felt he was going to be the next Luongo . Will he get any playing time now  that Luongo might be out for some time ?

trippleo wrote re: Churning the rumour mill
on 11-25-2008 6:20 PM

I expect to see Cory Schneider make a start for us sometime next week. Remember the Canucks would like to showcase their Young talent, hoping to gain more interest in the hottest goalie in the AHL. Unless Stanford continues to win games and play the way he has his last 3 starts he could very well play till Lo is back.

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