root in the AHL, im willing to write off the  season to spite him, and i live and die by the sens

you are YASHIN to me, you selfish F^CK

god forbid you spend some time on second line how did malkin do?

I have to say his agents appear as retarded as he is. Blaming the Senators for blindsiding him because the Oilers weren't on his list of teams. Heatley is nothing short of a coward, to everyone's face he wears a smile and then runs off across the country to Burnaby and demand a trade like he's all business. I hope they smash Heatley in training camp, might even get lucky and someone will put him on the LTIL (Long Term Injury List) and then he's covered by insurance and we have his cap space to use.

As for Spezza.....  Some of these guys have to deal with the media enough as it is and Spezza deals with them more than anyone....  I can stomach giving him a break from answering questions as to who is to blame for what.....he did it all last year give the guy the summer off at least.

I didn't like the package coming back the other way either. Cogliano was a nice piece, but what the hell would we do with Smid?  We already have a ton of defenseman under contract. Penner? We're trading a malcontent for a fat lazy stiff who can't skate. Either way the trade is off the table now. But to think he accuses the team of blindsiding him.....  The Senators should put the gun to his head and give him the altimatem.....forgo your NMC or you're not traded, and give him absolutely no say in where he goes. He doesn't like that he can sit and rot.

I disagree with the Chris Neil signing. Laperriere is at least and I stress at least twice the hockey player Neil is and is at least as good a fighter if not better than Neil and he signed in Philly for 500K less than Neil did. Both players in my oppinion are beginning their downward trend production-wise I just think 2M should have been spent on someone that can score more than 5-8 goals, especially with the Heatley thing going on.

I was going to say today was disappointing but I suspected as much to happen. For starters with the whole Heatley thing, and the other factor that we have the worst GM in the entire league running our team, it comes as no surprise players don't want to come here. 4 coaches in the past 3 years, Corvo and Heatley have demanded to be traded in back to back years, and factor in that no team in the league has had a longer fall from grace than us...... We were a 1-line team and are now a no-line team. So today was to be expected really. Especially when you look at how savvy teams like Calgary and Chicago are. The Senators are run like a hotdog stand compared to them. I mean we have Kuba, Phillips, Volchenkov, Smith, Lee, Campoli, Schubert, Picard, and Karlsson signed as defenseman, and almost has Smid....  and Murray is fretting over cap space? Wonder why?

As for our forwards? Kelly, Ruutu, Donovan, Neil, Winchester, Shannon, Foligno, and Fisher are absolutely not top 6 forwards in this league yet we could potentially have a 3rd line of Neil (2M) Fisher (4.2M) and Kelly (2.125M) as our 3rd line....  for the math majors that's a cap hit of $8.325M for a 3rd line......

After July 1st we're not looking much better than we did to end last season and if Heatley doesn't report well it's likely a foregone conclusion we're going to end up near the bottom of the Eastern Conference. Hopefully the Heatley saga will wrap up sooner rather than later and maybe a little cap space can be made with tackin on a Jason Smith, Kelly, or Ruutu or someone making a little money....  Because as is this team simply will not be able to score next season......I like Neil... but we needed a guy that can score gols for 2M more than we needed a guy who plays gritty for 2M.

GEOFF.......So wish we could send him down there.....however he has a NMC not a NTC.....  So Heatley doesn't have to accept the transfer and can still receive his full pay.........  the owners really showed those players in that CBA that cost us a year huh?

I honestly hate the Sens with my life, but I feel bad they are stuck with this idiot. Ihope Murray can deal with him. That Edmonton deal is AMAZING for the Sens if he would just go there. Penner is good just gets raged about his contract, but still produces. Cogliano will be HUGE because last year he was hit by the sophmore bug, and we all know how people bounce back (Jeff Carter/Mike Richards anyone?) and then Smid is a good blue chipper.

Too bad Havlat didnt get signed there again because hes money in the bank for only 5 mil!

Two Words: Taylor Hall!!!!

If I was driving my super sports car at break-neck speeds in a residential area and crashed my car, killing my passenger, I would still be in jail! Heatley is a selfish, spoiled, poor example of  a professional hockey player-(setting an example for kids?), he used his wealth and popularity to avoid a jail term, now breaking his commitment to his second team under contract. Why is anyone considering his hockey abilities out-weigh all the negative aspects of this degenerate?

He seems to be like the guy everyone hates Matt Hughes for being. Stuck up and thinks hes the best. Wheres Matt Serra when you need him? lol

Riddick

i think as long as the Heatley saga continues, you need to stop riding Murray. the current mess is because of Heatley. because of it we can't dump salary, we cant take on salary, we cant do anything.

how can you possibly expect Murray to trade him fast enough when every GM knows behind the scenes info about Heatley (everyone knows more than us probably as to the reason why this guy is asking for a trade a second time). secondly, after knowing that, they have the likes of Hossa, Gaborik, Havlat, Cammaleri, Gionta available. Even if Sather offered the top deal, he probably still knew that the appeal of New York will atleast get one those top 4 UFAs.

this is not Murray's fault. I think the edmonton trade was the best one available there because in the end NYR was more susceptible to going after a UFA, than trade. its a better choice. and they were always going to make a deal out of Gaborik because his injury history compensates his superior scoring skill.

lets face it, he was more tradeable if he never spoke a word. yet still he was more tradeable, early on. but now not only has he undermined his value, there are not that many teams left to trade with. Edmonton and LA are the only two logical ones. unless there is a mike milbury clone in the 29 other GMs thats waiting to show up. I'd be surprised if Edmonton still staying in the running though.

Alas, gear up for another disappointing season. no way we make the playoffs. here's hoping for 2010-2011.

further agitation: Heatley gets summer-camp invite, Spezza does not.

what is wrong with people......

Semantics? It's automatically implied by any logic and/or court i am aware of - that if player were to request a trade he has for all intense of purposes waived his own right to NMC and /or NTC . Is their any section in those scenarios that also says that they can wave that  right as well , and still demand where it also can be limited to ? In other words - Heatley automatically waived his NTC or NMC clause by requesting a trade irregardless of where they might send him , unless it's far more than a standard  clause . Is that the case with these NMC and NTC ? If they are the standard i believe they might be/have - then Heatley does not have a leg to stand on and no right by any standard to infringe or put any demands on  anywhere they  might trade him to . He waived his NMC or NTC when he made the request to be traded -plain and simple !! Now if these NMC or NTC also includes the players right to choose where he can also limit where that trade can also be waived at , then Heatley has every right to impose that , lets be honest !!  Dumb and Dumberer - Murray for trying to trade outside Heatley's request ;or  the Oilers Tambellini and Lowe , for getting involved and wasting their time chasing fruitlessly a player that does not want to play here in the first place that possese a NMC ?

madjam, neither dumb nor dumber

only one: heatley the double crosser

he never wanted to go to the oilers. what a jackass, and his agents are just feeding off of it

he could have said the same thing Tuesday night, and something maybe would have happened

but, in what has become pure Heatley style, waits till 10 minutes to 12 wednesday night to say no.

I only have one thing to say:

F*ck you Dany Heatley.

U THINK HE'S GOING TO SEEK OUT GIVING AN INTERVIEW??  THIS GUYS A GUTLESS, CLASSLESS CHUMP.  HE'S ALWAYS HAD OTHER PEOPLE STEP UP AND DEAL WITH HIS ISSUES.  NOT REALLY A STAND UP GUY.  HE'S GOING TO BE UNTRADABLE IN MY OPIONION.  LET THIS SELFISH LITTLE PUKE SIT OUT.  MISS A YEAR, MISS THE OLYMPICS, NO ONE CARES.  THINKS HE'S BETTER THAN EBMONTON??  BETTER KEEP HIS HEAD UP NEXT TIME HE ROLLS THROUGH ALBERTA..............

Sounds like B.Daly might be telling Murray , he has every right to persue and probably will win a grievevance against Heatley . Now whether thats just the $4M controversy ,or more to do with the NMC it does not clearly specify !! Article presently on Sportsnet site .

that would be perfect if they grieve it and the clown loses out. it would put an official stamp on his stupidity and teach him a good lesson.

Jon/Riddick/HQ..... has Heatley stated that he wouldn't report to camp if a deal wasn't done before the start to the season? Now I'm not making any excuses for him, but it stands to reason that there may be more to this then meets the eye, I can't imagine anyone being so completely blind/stupid as to NOT realize the damage he is doing to himself/ league/ teammates...etc. He doesn't want to play for Edmonton, fine, but is that the ONLY deal on the table so far, i can't imagine no other team has shown interest, at all, in him. What have you guys heard/read?

If he comes out and says " I'm not reporting to camp unless a trade is done"  then ya, burn the guy in effigy, If he shows up and plays until a deal is done, and plays to the best of his ability that is, well he will still get 40-50 goals/ 80-90 points........

Donkeypunch - it is my understanding he will still accept Oiler deal if Ottawa is his only other option . Murray should tell him forget about it, as the only other option he is going to waste his time on again . Take Oiler option now before it closes or your going to remain in Ottawa . In a nutshell Murray is not going to persue any other options fruitlessly anymore  to appese Heatley - nor should he !!

well its not about the rumor phase of what was heard/read anymore. what happened on wednesday is evidence enough of where dany heatley's value stands. teams that were in the running for Heatley before July 1, either altogether lost interest supposedly because of the shadiness of his commitment (st.louis, LA),  or if they had the cap space (NYR, Wild, Chicago for example) they went for UFA. and the teams that did go for ufas did the right thing obviously because to them the being close to the cap is a non-issue as compared to giving up precious pieces in a deal. Edmonton was the only team which fell in the dubious category of having a hard time attracting UFAs and also at the same time wanting to dump salary (Penner). and they tabled their offer as such.  

now, uptil then it was all hunka dory. it was ok, Heatley doesnt like to be criticized by the coach/doesnt get along with clouston. alright. thats fine. he wants to be traded. fine he will get traded. he has a NMC in his contract, thats ok too, it will be honored (however thats a debatable issue now, considering how he abused it). anyways. so the edmonton offer was there, and as you can see, Heatley and his agents are basically double crossing limitlessly. the edmonton deal had been there for more than 2 days. even Murray is saying now that he had notified Heatley's camp of the impending deal and asked if it was ok. apparently they said 'yes'. now fast forward to Wednesday evening and heatley does a back flip after basically the edmonton brass suck his balls dry and says he wont accept the trade.

now what that does is that it solidifies his antics and his nature beyond a certain level that is sure to piss more people off, and piss them off good. he gives the wrong message to any potential suitors out there (if there are any). not to mention after melnyk's paid that 4 mil, he will not be a happy owner. he has already paid 2 players and 2 coaches to not be on the ottawa senators team. i dont think he likes the idea of paying a 5th guy to bolt. so accordingly, the compensation for Heatley now goes up. and it will go up quite a bit. and it has nothing to do with Heatley's performance, its only to do with the money already paid to him. so it only gets more untradeable.

now as far as him coming back. well you saw what BM and JSpezza said today. but it will take a lot of balls and humility to show up in that room in front of guys like Phillips, Alfie, Fisher, Neil. his actions have been a parade in arrogance upon arrogance.

so yea we can hope he comes back and honors his contract fully, but his past and very recent history suggest completely otherwise. i dont know how a guy who basically bolted because the coach sprinkled him with hot water a little bit, is going to come back after he has openly created a bad impression and has invited all kinds of public hate that was non-existent. i mean i can easily say when Clouston mildly criticized him last year, most people just thought it was a lull and that Heatley is still the team's best player.

i mean if he cant take Clouston, how the hell does he expect to survive Tortorella if he wants to go to NYR so badly. i bet tortorella told Sather a plain blunt NO in the heatley trade. or if he wants to go to Vancouver as some forums are suggesting....well Alain Vigneault isnt a sweet talker about his forwards either. and he is very big on line juggling, and ice time slashing. not to mention a defense first style which will never let him score 50 ever.

so Clouston is still a sweet talking nice guy compared to alot of other coaches out there.

What i would like to see : Murray end his quest to even bother trying to trade him at this time or even into season ,until Heatley changes his tune .He either takes Oiler deal now or face the consequences that are going to be very unpleasant  for him . He makes him ride the pine (end of bench ) and they never play him on the ice !! If possible it would be fitting if he made him a glorfied stick boy and all the other garbage jobs like cleaning toilets , garbage duty , etc .. to go along with riding the pine with no hope of ever getting into the lineup . Unfortuneately only riding the pine is probably admissable . But , I'd make it clear to him he'd just be riding the pine !!How long would it take for Heatley to take that abuse and fan abuse  before he would cry out to go anywhere ? i doubt very long . Better to do that  to him ,  than just let him sit at home in comfort away from verbal abuse of hometown fans . The fans have a right to show their displeasure as they pay  part his salary indirectly . Time to play hardball with this guy Murray !!

This has gotten really old. Had the deal been done I would've been fine with it. Cogliano and Penner would have made a decent second line. And Smid would have rounded out our defense. None of you can honestly say that Picard, Smith and Schubert would be better then him right now? Plus with the deal done we could have gone after Cammaleri or whoever we wanted to replace him.

Of course Heatley played the asshole card and said no. I have to think L.A. jumps back into the mix at some point. After all of Lombardies talk and rumours he didn't land a single big free agent or land Pronger. While his value has taken a slight hit it'll improve in a few weeks. Teams will have to take Schubert or Smith off our hands if they wish to land him now. It wouldn't surprise me if L.A., Edmonton, Vancouver and St Louis. Still made another good offer for him in the coming weeks.

The most major issue facing the Sens is still waht to do about a second line. Obviously right now Murray must be thinking and hoping his current roster will do fine. With the current roster Fisher, Foligno and Shannon would be our second line. Kelly, Neil and either Regin or Zubov would make up the third. And Winchester, Ruutu and either Bass or Donovan would round it out. Of course it's anyones guess that Clouston can work his magic on this roster again.

HQ......   I'm not holding Murray responsible for the Heatley saga. The Heatley saga is not the reasonb why the team is where it is. Getting rid of Heatley would've helped for sure, but it only alleviates a little of the problem Murray created. Murray signed far too many players to far too much money and you'd think he'd learn from his mistakes. Vermette and Kelly at least had good years the year they signed their new deals. Neil scored 2 goals I believe and one of those were into an empty net. For that wonderful production he nearly doubled Neil's salary.

Bryan Murray is an atrocious GM. He has no sense of value for dollar, he a terrible judge of talent in terms of hiring a coach. He has a complete inability to read between the lines and forsee possible problems before they actually become massive. Murray may have been around since like forever, but making blunders in Florida, Anaheim, and Washington I believe is a much different animal than making them in the public eye in a Canadian market.

Neil, Ruutu, Smith, Kelly, and Fisher were brutal signings......  His coaching picks haven't been great either, and just got lucky with Clouston. He hasn't made a single player accountable during his reign here. Ray Emery? I mean come on Murray took it on the chin each and every single time, he should've been moved while his value was high instead of being signed to a 3yr extension. Say what you want about what Emery did the year he received his contract, good GM's don't let their players get out of line like that. When was the last time a Red Wings player behaved like that? Or an Avalanche player? or a Devils player? You really think Lou Lamoriello would ever in a million years put up with this kind of crap? That's why those teams win championships, they are accouhntable both on the ice and off it......  getting control of that dressing room has been a major sore spot on Murray from day one and it's his fault.

Players didn't decide not to come here because of this Heatley thing. They decided not to come here because our team is now a joke. We can almost field a team of coaches and GM's this franchise has muttled through in the past 5 years.... Half the team according to the general public especially here in Ottawa was that half the team had Cochaine addictions, there probably is no truth to that but my point being that the players were given free reign to do and go where they wanted. Murray enforces little to none professionalism from this team and Murray for me has to go because there isn't a single area of this team he has helped since getting here and the plight down the standing is no coincidence that it happened under Murray's watch.

I can almost guarantee Murray at the most will not have his contract renewed. If we get out to a poor start this season, it should be Murray's head on the chopping block right away.

Giving into that trade with Edmonton for Penner and Smid? Like what the hell is he supposed to do with Smid? So what Penner had a great year 2 years ago that just so happens to be his only good one in the league. Other than that he's an out of shape lazy ass that like Heatley doesn't like to work hard. Is there a better deal than the Edmonton one?  Absolutely......  keep the guy, show a little balls and force him to be a man. What Murray did was just show his players that it really is this easy to get out of a 5yr deal if you really want to, and that sets a bad precedent.

All in all Heatley is a complete jerk and a self-centred pussy, but Murray aint no brilliant hockey man himself. Heatley is at fault for the current situation invlolving himself, but this team is a complete mess regardless of it, and Murray is 100% to blame for it.

Murray would be better served to be the head scout. That is what Murray does best is draft. His record other wise has not been that stellar with us or any other team. He's been an excellent guy at rebuilding teams but not so much at managing teams that are already good. But I will at least tell you one thing he's not the worst GM in the league. Definetly not that.

I'll agree his draft history has been pretty decent, but I mean I haven't seen a team fall from grace as fast as this one has. But I mean the Sens are a joke right now and it has everything to do with Murray. I mean he already has Picard, Lee, Karlsson, Schubert, Smith, and Campoli as fringe defenseman for the bottom 2 spots. I'd like to know what exactly he does with the guys that don't make the team? Then he was going to add Smid who doesn't even have a contract? Talk about a waste of a trade piece......  He's guy with no direction, his communication with his players is clearly lacking, and his inability to kill problems before they become massive incidents is a major major concern. If it was just one incident that's one thing but it's problem after problem with Murray.

The Corvo incident, after that it was incident after incident with Emery only to ensure 3 more years of them that led to him buying him out, and now with the Heatley saga? I agree at least for the Heatley crap a lot of this is Heatley and him being a selfish terd, but Murray's inability to put out fires, he let his players run the team and bury Paddock, Hartsburg and to an extent Murray right into the ground. Clouston started making players accountable and now that Murray has conceded to the fact that he'll let Heatley go for virtually nothing of value accept for a fringe defenseman, another team's salary dump and a young prospect/player..... it sends the message to sign your long term contract, and hey once you have it, as long as you make it public that you want out he'll send you to a new team without hurting them any so it's an attractive option for players. Murray should've just held on to him, and it would send the message we committed to you, you're not getting what you want simply because you're crying about it.......come to camp and work hard and we'll do what we can. Instead, Murray threw up his hands and basically was willing to give him away, and allow another team to rid themselves of two players they didn't want going back to last season for a guy that can essentially change the dynamic of their offense. If Murray thought it was a good hockey trade then he should be fired immediately because lets be honest even people who aren't GM's know we would've been laughed at........Murray for me is the new present Mike Milbury and that's a scarry thing.

Anyhow, Heatley did whine and cry and that's not completely Murray's fault.......but Fisher's, Kelly's, Smith's, Ruutu's, and Neil's contract are all Murray's fault and it's because of those contracts not Heatley's why wewere unable to aquire someone througyh UFA.....Heatley deserves a ton of wrath because of his behavior, but none because of what we accomplished on July 1st.......that's all Murray

Just a question......  is there anyone whom is a current GM done worse than Murray? Remember we went from Cup Finalists to bottom feeder. Not to mention you have to look at all his body of work including his choices of coaches, player movements, and drafting. In my oppinion is it wasn't for drafting some decent prospects I'd have to ask what the hell bisiness he has even being a GM? I know I'm critical of the guy, but can anyone say they're impressed with his work here in Ottawa?

Keep Heatley , and bench him until he gets so frustrated he bolts to KHL to ressurrect his career . There now,  you get to save 7.5M/year  over the length of his career which you can spend wisely elsewhere to improve your club . Beats getting stung on a deal for far less . Plus you block any return of him back to NHL if you like to spite him back for what he has done to all of you. Heatley then might never see NHL again ,as you will still own his rights and freedom to deal those rights if his value goes up playing in the KHL . Besides ,by Heatleys own actions he has told the fans , teammates and team to stick it where the sun don't shine . Like Heatley really gives a shit about any of you other than his selfish little self !! To think he's got the gall to blame Murray for this -how stupid does he think everyone is anyways !! Heatley's the problem not Murray - quit passing the buck you Benedict Arnold  ( tongue in cheek ) !!

Anybody know the status of new Sens goalie Pascal Leclaire ?

so if anyone was hoping LA will make a move, well just read (or watch on the king's website) Ron Hextall verbally ripping Dany Heatley a bran spanking new shining ass hole.

btw, Ron Hextall is also the assistant GM there. so, yea...SJ or Edmonton or Ottawa or sit-it-out dany boy. I think thats about it.

It seems quite clear what Heatley and his agent are up to now - and you Ottawa fans should be backing Murray from now on and not let Heatley and his agent buffalo you any further . Heatley and his agent want to stick to the Senators , their team and management , and their fans with any lowball offer so long as it's on Heatleys list of preferable teams . Thats why all the stall tactics . Thats their terms ,and  they don't give a crap about whom they screw over to get it - mainly Senators and their fans . They'd take going to free to another team rather than have you take an offer such as Oilers offered - thats what little regard they have for you and your team !! They are using B.S. tactics to try and hang it on Murray and others . Hope you can all see through it and what the stall /shell tactics are doing - they are a fascade to undermine your team  and Murray !! Back Murray Ottawa fans and a half decent return might still be in the making soon . Put the blame where it rightly is -Heatley and his agent !! As long as you back Heatley or his agent this saga might never end and Heatley's value will only become worse because of it !! It's obvious now ,Heatley's agent wanting to see the so called other options he so called doesn't believe are not there !! Your really going to get taken to the cleaners if you start backing Heatley or his agent - call their bluff and expose the jerks , and end this saga  !!

It'll be Edmonton most likely or us. From what I understand anything the Sharks have offered was either pathetic. Or down right insulting. But now the Oilers will either have to take one of our unwanted defenseman back for the previous trade to work. Smid is obviously unwanted as he was just thrown into to make room for Peckam or Chorney on the Oilers blue line. The guy does have a lot of what our defense lacked last year which was speed. And he's still an upgrade over guys like Schubert, Picard and Smith in terms of offense.

Penner while a lazy bum in Edmonton did show up in Anahiem. Hence why the Oilers thought so highly of him. So who knows what could happen to him. It be along shot but even in his current attitude and state he's good enough to be a second line guy. Cogliano the only really good part of the deal would have given us the 2nd line center we've needed. Plus he can kill penalties and will still be cheap even after next season. So all in all it wasn't a bad deal. Not great but Murray could have done a lot worse with it.

But as is Edmonton would have to either add a good prospect or two into the deal. Or take Smith and/or Schubert with Heatley. I don't think the Oilers would mind getting Smith back but I doubt they'd want Schubert considering they've already got a guy filling the need of offensive/defensive player.

Melnyk is openly pissed:

www.fan590.com/.../media.jsp

this is definitely going to the wire because i think Melnyk is just the kind of person who once digs his heels will not let go at any cost.

i think the giving up Smith might be a bit too far fetched with some places suggesting that the senators can grieve the 4 mil bonus and get it back from the trading team. because in the end the cap hit will go on that team's account anyways. this can turn into more than just gm-gm team to team trade. it can actually turn into a something the trading partner's owners will get involved in with each other.

yea SJ seems to be a long shot too because they seem to be making their choices with the Clowe signing.

and i think we should all stop railing about the deal because Murray himself openly admitted that hockey wise it was not a good deal.

Yes, the Oilers are willing to up their offer to counter balance the $4M loss that Heatley hung on you - otherwise they would have pulled out by now !! Penner and Smid are much better than you Senator fans are giving them little credit for - your going to be pleasantly surprised !! Penner looks like he's lazy, etc. only because he plays with such speedsters ( bad rap in other words ) - yet i believe he was still our best +- guy all season !! Smid is one of few Oilers that showed a marked improvement ( big upside coming with him no doubt in my mind and obviously Murray's ) this season and Murray knows them well from Anaheim connection . Don't knock this kid , he is going to be a dandy . Oilers (speculative - as dollars can't be used in this deal )additional might be someone like Pouilot , Schremp , futures or help rid your team of salary - maybe  one or  even a combo of two or more. Heatley and his agent hope to squash that as well by playing the waiting game - they hope Edmonton will pull out in frustration and force Murray to take far less and go to a team of their choosing !! Murray simply will not get a better offer than Oilers can provide you , and it is much better already than most of you think , and all have youth with which to get much better to boot !! If you Senators want to move ahead start backing Murray on this one before it's to late ,and Oilers have to pull out !!

It might seem odd (an Oiler fan like me is ) pushing for this deal to consummate one way or the other - as i would rather keep Cogs , Penner and Smid and their youth and huge upside  than take on a risky Heatley  at whats on the table already ! But i don't make the decisions Oiler management has already made or might continue to make and add too . Already i feel the Senators have the best of  the deal in other words , and i am sure time will prove me right . I would prefer the Oilers keep what they already have and move on swiftly to persue better options and end this fascination with Heatley by not obtaining him . The only way i see Oilers moving positively is by ending this saga pronto . In other words - Oilers will lose more in this present deal than a mere Heatley will bring us in return even if he was to pan out  here . The sooner it ends the sooner both our clubs can move on to better things , but i don't expect ours to get better if we end up with Heatley sorry to say .

Lot's of oppurtunity still out there for both the Oilers and Sens. lots of still good ufa's left unsigned and some good rfa's coming up. The Sens could pull a fast one trying to pick off a good ufa from a team. Saying that if they don't trade for Heatley and make a good offer for him they'll simply sign there guy. And all they'll get is a few picks. It's mean and somewhat cruel but it maybe the best option for getting anything good for Heatley at this point.

Go to Oilers site  on NHL.com , and it  now appears Heatley owns all the cards by D.Tensers column !! In other words Heatley is calling the shots not Murray . Oilers interest is still there but only because they have to move bodies to open up space in other areas just to persue anyone -they are already at their limit of contracts in otherwords . So Oilers are limited to whom they might consider to go after and UFA's or RFA's are not an option due to contract limits they are up against a wall already .That dilemma is over and above any cap issues ! They might have pulled out already of the Heatley saga if they were not so strapped against the contract limit ( number of bodies under contract limit ). Having added Khabibulin , they basically have to try and move forward thru subtraction to obtain a Heatley or anyone else for that matter . Oiler situation not unique , many others in same boat . So Oilers will just sit and wait  on this deal ,because most other options are not even close to being viable for them despite the little chance Heatley might provide them .

I feel for the Sens fans, As we all know that Heatley held out becasue of the 4 mill bonus..as a leaf fan, I would love to see him join the leafs cuz we need someone who can finish.. 35 goals is a start.. haha. Along with Nazem Kadri too. sorry bout that Murray. ;)

at the next CBA the owners should include the clause that if you have a NMC/NTC and you demand the trade that clause is automatically voided if you demand it publicly and only want out because of non-personal reasons, personally I am not a Sens or a Oilers fans (though I do like the Sens), Heatley is just being a total bitch, if he stays in Ottawa I would like to see Ottawa TOTALLY ruin his Olympic chances by just not using and he's gonna blame not being on the Olympic team on the Sens when it was totally his fault for being a bitch, and what's wrong with playing with Edmonton, unlike Ottawa there's actually young decent players to play with and you've got a top line who loves to pass more than shoot (hence MORE GOALS) and Edmonton is much closer to his hometown and summer home than New York or San Jose. though if Ottawa does manage to unload heatley there are still decent players out there in Alex Tanguay and Robert Lang

I have to wonder the same thing what is so horrible about Edmonton? I live here and it's nothing bad. The traffic is a little nuts but you get that in every city big or small. Now in some cases I suppose the warm and sunny climates are nicer but hey all of Canada is cold. He grew up here so he should be able to handle it.

And New York can't be much worse then Edmonton in terms of weather. So really I don't understand what the hell is the difference between one city and another unless your in the southern most part of the States your going to get the same type of conditions. So I don't see what other reason there could be for him saying no.

Before when this deal was first annouced I was like finally this is over. And before July 1st we can move on and pick up a good ufa forward or two from this as well as what we get in the deal. Now I just want Heatley gone so we can move on see what happens.

Heatley to Chicago for rights to Versteeg and C.Barker by way of Tallon screwing up and not signing them properly in time as per TSN.ca article . Might be some type of deal worth checking out there !!

It should be noted that Lamourallo goofed up similiar to Tallon , and he had  to pay Madden and Rafalski fair market value to keep them at a hefty price above the Qualifying Offer . So the precident was set long ago , which makes Chicago's  chance at signing those players and staying under the cap next to impossible . Going to be interesting one way or the other !!

If Edmonton wasn't on Heatley's list of 10 teams he would go to, why did Murray even talk to Edmonton...trying to screw Heatley for revenge.

Either keep him or trade him to a team on his list.

This should never had gotten this far. Can't believe a GM and a coach can't manage things better with a star player.  

LeafsGo why would Ottawa even consider his list if all the offers from those teams were total crap. Think before you post. Edmonton's was the best offer so Murray wanted to make it. And it's more like Heatley should manage himself better and stop being a cry baby and prove he can get the minutes he thinks he deserves. Instead he takes the lazy way out and asks to be traded.

If the OIlers want Heats thae they should just send to a another team via 3 way ?? Makes sense and free up cap space for the Sens and think about next years fix on the rumored lowering of the salary cap.

not to any wiggity wacked Sens rivals in the East. hahahah

I used to be on nhl.com, but I cant log on no more...probably cause of the critism of lil commisioner buttmen... maybe thats the reason